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Warhammer Expectations

Posted September 16th, 2008 by Isobelle

I don’t have the game yet, and haven’t played it since I was famously booted from beta for breaking the NDA in a pretty long rant that got some attention here on NotAddicted. That said, they have my money already, and I’m eagerly looking forward to playing it again tomorrow when I get into the preorder head start thing. I’ve been combing forums in the meantime trying to figure out if the game is living up to the hype so far, and this article will be a summary of what I feel I can realistically EXPECT from an MMO backed in funding by the world’s biggest gaming superpower, and created by a non-newcomer to the genre. I think it’s fair to say this isn’t the entry to the market by Ted and Sally from down the street working out of their basement.

1) First and foremost, I expect the game to function properly. More and more often, with each release of a new MMO, people seem to be expecting a bug riddled piece of trash for the first few months. Why we’ve grown so complacent in this genre really doesn’t make much sense. If a game doesn’t work until the third month after release, it should have been released in March instead of January. People on Warhammer forums are still asking if there’s going to be another magical patch after-the-headstart-and-before-public-release. I think two days before the official release is a little late to be hoping for bugfixes. Yes, there will be patches. That’s expected, but I don’t get it… is EA so strapped for cash after the release of Madden 09 that they need to push their huge triple-A MMO title out before it’s done? Is it too much to expect a final product?

2) I expect combat to work. Saying ‘work’ is setting the bar pretty low, and I won’t complain TOO MUCH if it at least works. Again, EA and Mythic aren’t exactly new to gaming, and this isn’t a new genre they’re blazing trails in. WARhammer is pretty much WoW (which was pretty much EQ, etc etc), with a few changes to gameplay mechanics. If these new mechanics are slightly kinky, and need some ironing out, fine. But when I set forth into the wild to slay my first “Small Brown Rat”, I expect things like spell animations to fire correctly. I bring up spell animations in particular, because there’s a pretty detailed movie I’ve seen from the very latest build that seems to indicate when a spell animation finishes casting has no relevance whatsoever to when the spell actually fires. There are even haste effects you gain as you play that speed up spell casting by 20% per rank, and while the 80% rank correctly throttles the animation speed (assuming you don’t get interrupted or pushed back), once you hit 100% haste (instant cast) it bonks back down to the original spell cast speed. Wonky.

Quote from an interesting thread from NutellaGrande (with 13,000+ views) over at warhammeralliance.com:

This problem occurs becuase WAR's cast animations are static, while WoW's cast times are dynamic (due to pushback from damage). In WoW, every race/class has their own cast animation, its the same for every spell, it can go on indefinitely before the spell fires, and its exactly the same throughout. Whether your uninterrupted frostbolt is 2.5 seconds or your LOLFELHUNTER frostbolt is 12 seconds, your frostyhands are there until the castbar finishes, and your frostbolt goes off.

In WAR, each spell has its own separate animation, and its timed to end when the base cast time of the spell ends. What do you get when your cast time is increased by a second? a second delay between the firing of your frostbolt and when your frostbolt spell finishes, throwing your brain off, and making it look clunky.

The guy has a pretty clean hi-rez video posted on FileFront, which I’ve gone and re-hosted on YouTube so you can actually watch it, instead of just getting Server Full errors all day long.

Read his thread, and watch the video. Yeah. Some people seem to recommend pushing buttons slower, giving you time during combat to "think, respond, and have a sip of soda". Hmm... sipping soda during PvP sounds intense!

3) I can hope to expect engaging PvP. I’ve said time and time again that I am not an Arena Junkie, never ground out High Warlord over the course of two years, and don't really give a crap about things like battlegrounds. THAT SAID, this game is touting PvP as the big difference between it and WoW. WoW’s end game revolves around 25 man PVE raids, while Warhammer is supposedly a climb to the level cap to fight each other. I know the climb itself will be tedious. I don’t expect to shudder in ecstasy while reading quest dialog boxes. The end itself should at least partially

Okay. Let me stop that sentence there. I began to type “the end itself should at least partially resemble this ‘war is everywhere RvR woot woot’ they’ve been hyping for years’ and then there I was back at my first point up above. The game shouldn't be ‘at least partially’ anything. It should hit that nail square on the head. That has been their main hyping point for the game since we’ve heard about it, and they’ve had over three years to work that out. I’m sick of hoping for ‘some of what they promise’. I want all of it. I’m the customer. If I see a Big Mac poster outside a McDonald’s, go in and order one, and only receive a half eaten moldy bun, I’d be like ‘what the hell is this crap?’ and demand my money back. We’ve already accepted that there are no refunds for software somewhere along the line for god knows why. To now install that software and only find 1/3 of the code in place just seems silly.

WAR IS EVERYWHERE! has been pounded into our heads since this game was announced. It makes me wonder then, why the two server rulesets are so confusing. ‘Core’ and ‘Open RvR’ sound an awful lot like ‘Normal’ and ‘PvP’ for WoW, but it isn’t really the case. Core requires that you flag yourself for RvR or be found to be off-limits for world PvP, while Open has the flag always on. Okay, so far so good, but now if a higher level toon goes back to a lower tier area of the map, they get turned into a chicken, are able to be one shotted by anyone, and then respawn on the other side of the zone.

People are applauding this as the end of ganking by higher level toons, but I really don’t get it. Getting steamrolled by bored 70s while you level in STV is part of playing on a PvP server. If you don’t like it, ROLL PVE. I recently went back to Goldshire on my hunter to grind out 7 or 8 quick super lowbie quests to hit exalted with Stormwind on my Draeni for the horse mount. Something like this won’t be physically possible on an Open RvR server in Warhammer. Once you leave the zone, there’s no going back, but they have this whole Tome of Knowledge thing that you’re supposed to fill out to earn extra abilities.

This is conjecture. I haven’t played yet. We’ll see how it turns out, but when you see Famous PvP guilds like the Something Awful’s Goon Squad from Mal’Ganis saying they’ll be rolling on Core servers because the Open rule set is ‘retarded’ it kinda makes you wonder. I intend to roll on an Open server first to see how it works, and if I find myself being turned into a chicken for engaging in world PvP then we’ll know that WAR IS SOMEWHERE, BUT NOT RIGHT THERE, OKAY?

I always end my Warhammer rants with the sincere wish that the game turns out to be fun. I’m just sick of WoW. It’s the best game available right now, and there’s plenty in it that I haven’t done (and probably never will), but it’s time for something new. I want to move on to a new game with new toons and new locations. I hope Warhammer fits the bill. Stay tuned, as I officially get underway tomorrow. I’ll probably have a solid “first impressions” up by the weekend at the latest.

 

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Someone Unimportant said:
September 16th, 2008
I've been playing the past 3 weeks (aside from downtime here and there...and work -.-) and I'm very happy with the game. Aside from turrets shooting through walls and runepriests being a total bitch to kill, RvR is quite balanced and very fun. All in all I am very happy with the game, and I'm very excited to start City Sieges.
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Someone Unimportant said:
September 16th, 2008
As much as I hate to say, I would expect some bugs, but nothing major. In the open beta, there were a few large bugs that they actually took care of in 12-36 hours. I was pretty impressed with the updates and the communication (if your in Europe through GOA, that is another story). The Chicken thing I could care less about. On Open RVR servers you can go back to the tier below you without being a chicken. You are always flagged for combat. The point is so that you cant go cap the Tier1 and 2 RVR zones as a max rank. So basically no god mode clearing out the lowbie zones, but a rank 40 can go kill a rank 22 and up anywhere in the top two tiers. Core still has RVR zones up for control, but the non-RVR zones you need to flag yourself in.
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Isobelle said:
September 16th, 2008

ah... that tower capping actually makes sense, something that no one has been able to do thus far on any of the forums i've been reading.

the biggest complaint i've heard is the filling out of the tome of knowledge, though. this DOES affect that, right? The way I understand it, fully completeing tome entries grants tactics... "do every quest in the barrens for the +130 intelligence tactic"... I may be completely misunderstanding, but a request such as that is going to have a much harder time being completed as a chicken than a higher ranked individual... something that wouldn't be an issue on a Core server.

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dw0815 said:
September 16th, 2008

Yepp, on the forums everybody is ranting about chicken and (non)ganking. They don't realize that you would carry level 40 war to T1 zones, as even the lower tier zones count for preparing city capture.

In general I agree, I hate the unfinished games coming out recently. WAR had a lot of annoying bugs and issues in the end of CB and even OB, but they really pulled some surprise patches and the game is very playable. The most annoying thing is really the casting animation. Overall compared to the epic fail of AoC it was a solid launch (ok, lets wait how the server handle more than a handfull headstarters). Altough after 6 hours playing without relog yesterday the game became laggy and I lost all NPC icons, guess there is a (minor) mem leak.

Tome unlocks, in my eyes a minor issue even if you hate PvE and questing. You will get tons of tactics via level and reknown rank and you are limited to only a few you can use at the same time. So it might be that you don't get the +130 Int, but have the choice of +100 Int +20 Will, +100 Int +5%RR, etc...

DW.

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Bladee said:
September 16th, 2008

I am not a caster, so I am not aware of all the animation problems. I am playing a Madauder my self, and I must say I am extremely appy with the game so far. Yes, there is laods of bugs, but the game just released, and even if Mythic been working hard to fix all them, some are still out there.

Most anonying of them must be CTD (Crash to Descop), when game just vanish from your screen, and you end up in que again, of 600 ppl... Woopidooo...

However, the war is everywhere for me, if I want it to be. I decided to play on Core server, since I dont fancy the idea of ganking, and being ganked when I am questing. But warhammer all about RvR zones pvp, as soon you are in one, its hell loats of fun.. so far..

The keep siege works perfect, but it is much more fun to defen the keep, having boiling oil over those who try to get it back <3

PvE is fine in my opinion, with PQ being a good thing. Yes, you can jump in at the end of the quest, but your chance to get some good loot then is equal to 5% or so. More you do under the quest, more +numbers you get to your roll. And those PQ are funny events.

 

As long they fix the crash bug, I am fine with the game :P

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Isobelle said:
September 16th, 2008

zomg servers up! 3% patching, with a good 3 hours left in the night to play! i didn't expect the servers to be up till 3am my time, but it's 8pm and they're good to go.

i'm giddy. this better be good :)

 

edit! grabbing the pathc window and shaking violently with the mouse makes it go faster!

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Someone Unimportant said:
September 16th, 2008
So far as chickening goes I read somewhere that you only get chickened if you are in an area two tiers or more below you AND you engage in an attack or similiar action with another player. So you should be able to go back and do any quests you missed unless they were quests requiring to you attack another player.
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Someone Unimportant said:
September 16th, 2008
Hows it going so far? I am stuck at work for 7 more hours.
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Ripperjack said:
September 16th, 2008

Well I've been playing WAR now for a good month ( Closed Beta, Preview weekend, Open Beta, Collectors ED head start... you know the drill. ), and I have to say that it is a solid title. It is by no means a waste of money if you buy it, however its just another WoW clone with a few fresh ideas thrown in.

For me this is just something to get me through to Fallout 3 and 2009, when I should be able to finally ditch the whole "yet another swords and sorcerery" game rut, with titles such as Fallen Earth, Stargate Worlds, Star Trek Online, Champions Online and DC Universe.

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Isobelle said:
September 16th, 2008

yeah, call me "cautiously optimistic", i actually had a lot of fun with it last night.

The same thing happened with the very beginning of AoC, but WAR seems more like they don't mind being "just like WoW, but different". AoC tried to break the mold, and just made a mess.

Granted, I'm about level 5 at this point, and still haven't crossed into "the next zone after the starting one" yet, but I did this same set of quests back in beta and hated it. As much as I know i'll catch hell for saying it: they've really tightened it up. I'll get something more substantial up soon.

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Someone Unimportant said:
September 17th, 2008
Isobelle, What class are you trying out 1st? Some classes are much better done then the others. A good "first impression classes" IMO are Black Orc, Witch Elf, Engineer, Sowrdmaster, and Bright Wizard. Classes that I found are rather dull to begin with are Witch Hunter (worst animation in the game) , Priest Warrior ( 2nd worst animation in the game), Magus, and White Lion. Good luck
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Isobelle said:
September 18th, 2008

black orc here.

got a solid 4 pages typed up in word on first impressions, will post it up tomorrow a.m.

it's bed time here, and i have no classes to teach all day tomorrow ;)

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Someone Unimportant said:
September 17th, 2008
I'm playing a squig herder myself. The only issue I have so far is that my pet squig usually refuses to just follow me once he gets into combat with a mob. And if he gets left behind because he won't follow or gets stuck on or in terrain I have to wait 30 seconds before I can summon him again.
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